DONALD TRUMP COULD END A PROGRAM THAT HAS ALREADY GRANTED
WORK PERMITS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS WHO ORIGINALLY CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AS CHILDREN AS
EARLY AS ORIGINALLY REPORTED TODAY, NOW THEY ARE SAYING
PERHAPS OVER THE WEEKEND OR BY MONDAY, MAYBE THEY TRIED TO
SQUEAK IT IN WHEN THE NEWS ISN'T WATCHING AS CLOSELY, AND IT'S
ALREADY RECEIVED A LOT OF OPPOSITION.
SOME PEOPLE OPPOSING
THIS MOVE, ENDING DACA, ARE THE NORMAL SORTS OF PEOPLE YOU'D
EXPECT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME VOICES YOU MIGHT NOT, WE WILL GO
OVER SOME OF THOSE ON TODAY'S SHOW.
FIRST IS SPEAKER PAUL RYAN.
THE PRESIDENT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT PULLING BACK DACA, THE
DREAMERS ACT.
I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DO THAT, I BELIEVE THIS IS
SOMETHING CONGRESS HAS TO FIX.
LET ME BACK UP FOR A SECOND --
PRESIDENT OBAMA DID NOT HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT
HE DID.
YOU CAN'T AS AN EXECUTIVE WRITE LAW OUT OF THIN
AIR.
THAT'S VERY CLEAR, WE'VE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR.
HAVING
SAID THAT, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN LIMBO, THESE ARE KIDS WHO
WERE BROUGHT HERE BY THEIR PARENTS AND DON'T KNOW ANOTHER
HOME.
WE NEED A LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION, THAT'S WHEN WE ARE
WORKING ON, AND WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE PEACE OF MIND.
THEY HAVE CLASHED ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT
MIGHT BE ANOTHER ONE.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO, IN HIS
WORDS, HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANOTHER COUNTRY, AND IT'S NOT A SMALL
GROUP --
THIS PROGRAM WAS ONLY ORIGINALLY SET UP UNDER
PRESIDENT OBAMA, IT HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES, IMAGINE HOW
MANY PEOPLE IT COULD HELP IF TRUMP DOESN'T KILL IT THIS
WEEKEND.
TO BE CLEAR ON A COUPLE THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, THE
SUBSTANCE OF IT, YOU HAD TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE COUNTRY UNDER
16 YEARS OLD, YOU HAVE TO BE, QUOTE UNQUOTE, A PRODUCTIVE
MEMBER OF SOCIETY, MEANING THEY HAVE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS, YOU
HAVE TO HAVE A JOB, 5% OF THEM HAVE CREATED THEIR OWN JOBS AND
ARE ENTREPRENEURS, THE LIST GOES ON.
YOU HAVE TO FINISH HIGH
SCHOOL AND EITHER GO TO COLLEGE, ENLIST IN THE MILITARY --
SOME HAVE PURCHASED HOMES IN THE UNITED STATES.
THESE ARE
PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE WHEN THEY WERE INCREDIBLY YOUNG, IN A LOT
OF CASES THEY CAME HERE WHEN THEY WERE CHILDREN AND THEIR
PARENTS SMUGGLED THEM INTO THE COUNTRY, THIS IS THE ONLY
COUNTRY THEY'VE EVER KNOWN AND THEY'VE BUILT THEIR LIVES HERE.
SO THE FACT THAT TRUMP IS CONSIDERING JUST DEPORTING THEM
OR ENDING THIS PROGRAM UNDER OBAMA IS DEVASTATING NOT JUST
FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL SUFFER FROM THIS DEPORTATION BUT
ALSO THE U.S.
ECONOMY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK TRUMP SUPPORTERS
REFUSE TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE.
TO THAT POINT, I BELIEVE 16% OF THEM, EITHER 12 OR 16%, HAVE
HOMES, HAVE BOUGHT HOMES.
I JUST PICTURED, WHEN I READ THAT
PASSAGE, ALL THESE EMPTY HOMES.
GHOST HOMES.
WHERE ARE THE
PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THEM?
OH, THEY WERE DEPORTED BASED ON SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED
DECADES AGO.
AND KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO
GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT AMERICANS DO, RIGHT?
SO IN THE
VAST MAJORITY OF CASES THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR FEDERAL
STUDENT LOANS, THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR GOVERNMENT
ASSISTANCE DESPITE WHAT REPUBLICANS WILL TELL YOU.
NOW,
CERTAIN STATES MIGHT HAVE CERTAIN LAWS THAT DO OFFER SOME
HELP, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS BUILT LIVES
WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE WHATSOEVER.
TO SAY
THEY ARE PRODUCTIVE NUMBERS OF SOCIETY DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.
THEY WERE ABLE TO OVERCOME CERTAIN OBSTACLES THAT AMERICAN
CITIZENS CAN'T EVEN OVERCOME, OR DON'T HAVE TO OVERCOME, AND TO
TREAT THEM AS IF THEY ARE SOME CRIMINAL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO
DON'T DESERVE TO BE HERE IS JUST DISGUSTING AND LACKS COMPASSION.
ON THE ISSUE OF THE MECHANICS OF THIS, PAUL RYAN BROUGHT UP
EXECUTIVE ORDERS -- LOOK, I THINK THERE'S AN INTERESTING
CASE TO BE MADE THERE.
OBAMA, HIS POSITION WAS THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH GETS TO ENFORCE THE LAW, SO I AM NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE
LAW AGAINST THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE BROUGHT INTO THE COUNTRY
NOT AGAINST THEIR WILL, THAT'S TOO STRONG, BUT HAVING NO
VOLITION IN THAT.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSENT.
THEY WERE BROUGHT IN BY THEIR PARENTS AS KIDS, THEY DIDN'T
TAKE ANY ACT AS AN ADULT.
SO THEY AREN'T LIKE THE ILLEGALS,
AS PEOPLE PUT IT -- HE IS SAYING I'M NOT ENFORCING THAT PART OF
IT.
MMM, I'VE GOT SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.
OR HE'S PUTTING A FAR LOWER LEVEL OF PRIORITY.
EFFECTIVELY ZERO.
BUT LET'S BE CONSISTENT, BOTH US AND THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS LIKE
PAUL RYAN.
TRUMP THEN SAYS I'M GOING TO SIGN EXECUTIVE ORDERS,
SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M NOT ALLOWING MUSLIMS -- SORRY,
CERTAIN MUSLIMS -- INTO THE COUNTRY.
DID YOU PASS A LAW
BARRING MUSLIMS FROM THOSE COUNTRIES?
NO, I DIDN'T PASS A LAW, I DID AND EXECUTIVE ORDER.
TO TRUMP PASS A LAW BANNING TRANSGENDER MILITARY MEMBERS?
NO, HE JUST DECIDED RANDOMLY WHEN HE REALIZED THERE WERE NO
LEGISLATIVE WINS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT HE WOULD
PANDER TO HIS BASE AND SEND OUT TWEETS BANNING TRANSGENDER
PEOPLE.
SO THIS WHOLE NOTION OF I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT OBAMA DID
WITH THIS EXECUTIVE ACTION, PLEASE, SPARE ME THE TEARS.
THE
REASON THAT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KEEP USING
THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION DURING THEIR CAMPAIGNS, PRETENDING LIKE
THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THEY WANT TO BE LEADERS, BUT WHEN IT
CAME TO THE ISSUE OF DREAMERS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.
THERE WAS NO PROGRESS, WHAT ARE THESE KIDS GOING TO DO?
THEY ARE
WORRIED, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO PURSUE THEIR LIVES OR THEIR
CAREERS, OBAMA TAKES SOME LEADERSHIP AND TAKE SOME
ACTION, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO FINISH MY POINT, THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS
ARE TOUGH BECAUSE YES, IT DOES FALL WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF
THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO ENFORCE THE LAW, BUT IT CAN BE ABUSED
AND YOU CAN GO TOO FAR. AND WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE ON THESE
IS NOT AN EASY ISSUE AND IT'S NOT BLACK-AND-WHITE, BUT WE HAVE
TO TRY TO BE CONSISTENT ON IT EITHER WAY.
SO THESE GUYS THAT
CLAIMED THEY HATE OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS LOVE TRUMP'S.
PAUL RYAN, LUCKILY YOU ARE IN A GREAT POSITION TO DO SOMETHING
AS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, YOU SHOULD PASS A LAW.
EVERYONE
AGREES YOU SHOULD PASS AN ACTUAL LAW, SO GET THE WORK.
YOU CAN GO BACK TO ANY NUMBER OF VAGUE QUOTES FROM DONALD
TRUMP DURING HIS CAMPAIGN WHERE HE SAID HE WOULD TREAT THOSE
PEOPLE WITH HEART.
HE WILL TURN ON THOSE PREVIOUS WORDS, BUT YOU
COULD USE THAT.
THERE WAS AN UPDATE RIGHT BEFORE WE CAME ON THE SHOW, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CAMPAIGN FOR TRUMP ABSURD QUOTES
ABOUT DREAMERS, HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT TODAY BECAUSE THIS
ACTION IS IMMINENT, HE SAID IT MIGHT HAPPEN TODAY, MAYBE OVER
THE WEEKEND, THE WHITE HOUSE EARLIER PUT OUT A STATEMENT
SAYING IT MIGHT HAPPEN ON TUESDAY, SO TRUMP OF COURSE
PREEMPTED THEM ANYWAY, BUT WHEN A REPORTER ASKED HIM ABOUT IT HE
SAID, QUOTE, WE LOVE THE DREAMERS.
WE LOVE EVERYBODY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
HOW CAN YOU LOVE THE DREAMERS AND DEPORT
THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
IT MEETS AT 8 PM TONIGHT, EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT HE THINK
ABOUT A NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE HE WANTS TO DESTROY, HE WILL GO
AHEAD AND END THE DACA PROGRAM.
8 PM TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
THAT'S A STRONG GUARANTEE, VERY SPECIFIC.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 800,000 PEOPLE, AS ANA POINTED OUT, THE
ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND YOU CAN POINT TO ANY NUMBER OF IMPACTS
OF PLUCKING THAT SIZE OF THE U.S. POPULATION OUT OF THE
COUNTRY AND PUTTING THEM IN THE COUNTRY THEY DON'T KNOW, THINK
ABOUT THE RIPPLE EFFECTS.
THAT'S POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF SPOUSES AND CHILDREN, FRIENDSHIPS, CLIENTS
AND BUSINESSES, THEY MIGHT BE IN SCHOOL AT THIS POINT,
FRIENDSHIPS DISRUPTED, ORGANIZATIONS, POLITICAL OR
OTHERWISE -- THE RIPPLE EFFECTS ARE MASSIVE, IMPOSSIBLE TO
OVERSTATE.
I WILL REPEAT THIS EVERY TIME THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION COMES
UP DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, KEEP IN MIND
THAT WHILE HE THREATENS TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF THESE
PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, HE APPLIED TO INCREASE THE CAP ON
FOREIGN WORKERS COMING INTO THE COUNTRY SO TRUMP INDUSTRIES
COULD HIRE MORE FOREIGN WORKERS.
THE DAY AFTER HE DID THAT
EXECUTIVE ACTION TRUMP INDUSTRIES APPLIED FOR MORE
FOREIGN WORKERS.
THIS IS DISGUSTING TO SAY THE LEAST.
TWO MORE PEOPLE CRITICIZING HIM, SENATOR ORRIN HATCH SAID --
WELL, YOU HAVE A SENATOR, YOU HAVE PAUL RYAN, YOU COULD
PROBABLY RALLY UP A COUPLE OF OTHERS IF YOU WANT TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE NOT JUST POLITICIANS BUT
PUNDITS -- AS JAYAR JACKSON POINTED OUT IN OUR MORNING
PRODUCTION MEETING IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR WHERE GERALDO
IS RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING, HERE IS HIS ADVICE FOR TRUMP.
I WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND UNMISTAKABLE IN MY MESSAGE
TO DONALD TRUMP, YOU CANNOT DO THIS.
YOU CANNOT MAKE TRUE THE
FALSE STEREOTYPE THAT YOU ARE CRUEL AND UNCARING.
YOU MUST DO
THE RIGHT THING.
THESE ARE THE MOST VETTED IMMIGRANTS WE'VE
EVER HAD.
WE KNOW THEIR BACKGROUNDS, THEY'VE BEEN
FINGERPRINTED, MOST OF THEM HAVE CITIZEN SIBLINGS -- IF WE WERE
TO UNLEASH THE POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ROOT OUT
800,000 OF THESE DREAM ACT STUDENTS IT WOULD PERMANENTLY
TARNISH THE REPUTATION AND LEGACY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND
AFFECT HOW I FEEL ABOUT HIM.
IT WILL AFFECT THE WAY GERALDO FEELS ABOUT HIM?
THAT SOUNDS SO RIDICULOUS TO 99.9% OF AMERICANS.
HOWEVER,
KEEP IN MIND THE ONE PERSON WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK
ABOUT HIM THE MOST IS DONALD TRUMP, AND HE'S WATCHING THAT.
LOOK, GERALDO USED WHAT I BELIEVE IS A PRETTY SMART
TACTIC.
HE'S NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY ECONOMIC ARGUMENTS OR
ANYTHING THAT IS NUANCED OR SMART, HE'S JUST SAYING DON'T DO
THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL REALLY DISLIKE YOU AND IT WILL
RUIN YOUR LEGACY.
AND TALK ABOUT IT LIKE YOU ARE TALKING TO A CHILD AND SHAMING A
CHILD, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY HE WILL PROCESS IT.
THE PROBLEM IS
I DON'T THINK HE CARES WHAT GERALDO THINKS ABOUT HIM.
IF YOU
COULD GET GUTFELD OR SOMEBODY --
WHEN I FIRST READ THE QUOTE OF GERALDO'S, IT WILL MAKE TRUE THE
FALSE STATEMENT THAT YOU ARE CRUEL AND UNKIND, I THOUGHT HE'S
NUMBER THAN I THOUGHT.
BUT THEN I THOUGHT HE KNOWS TRUMP IS
LIKELY WATCHING FOX NEWS, IT'S A SOMEWHAT SAVVY STRATEGY TO SAY
MR.
PRESIDENT, YOU ARE WONDERFUL, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS
HOW GREAT YOU ARE, BUT DON'T LET THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT
DERIDING YOU BE PROVEN TRUE BY DOING THIS THING I'M AGAINST.
JUST IN PRACTICE IT SOUNDS SILLY.
IT SOUNDS PREPOSTEROUS BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, JOHN, HE'S TALKING TO
A CHILD.
AND A PETULANT, ANGRY, THIN-SKINNED CHILD.
SO THAT IS
PROBABLY AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO TALK TO HIM.
TO PUT THIS IN A LARGER CONTEXT, WE HAVE POINTED OUT, I
KNOW ANA HAS CITED THE STATISTIC, WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN
FOR DECADES CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE FLOODING OVER THE BORDER AND OUR
COUNTRY IS GETTING FULL OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, THERE
IS ALL THIS FEAR, THE FEAR ISN'T NECESSARILY BASED ON FACTS, IT'S
JUST AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE.
PEOPLE COME IN AND PEOPLE GO
OUT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, LOTS OF PEOPLE COME OUT AND LOTS OF
PEOPLE GO BACK.
THE BORDER IS POROUS BUT NOT JUST IN ONE
DIRECTION.
BUT THE FEAR AND THE HYSTERIA OVER THE SUPPOSEDLY
FLOOD OF IMMIGRANTS LED THEM TO TIGHTEN UP THE BORDER, MAKE IT
MORE DIFFICULT TO TRANSIT ONE WAY AND THEN BACK, SO THE PEOPLE
WHO CAME IN COULDN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AFTER THAT.
SO INSTEAD THEY SIMPLY
STAY.
IN WHENEVER THEY TRY TO TIGHTEN THE BORDER THEY JUST
MAKE IT SO THAT WHOEVER DOES COME IN DOESN'T GO, THE OPPOSITE
OF WHAT THEY HOPE TO ACHIEVE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT COME AFTER
DACA WOULD BE DESTROYED, BUT BASED ON HISTORY WE FEEL IT
WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
16% OF THEM HAVE HOMES, THAT WOULD MEAN WELL OVER 100,000
ABANDONED HOMES.
IT REMINDS ME OF SOME OF THOSE TV SHOWS, THE
4400, THE LEFTOVERS, WHERE PEOPLE MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEAR
AND THERE ARE ALL THESE MISSING PEOPLE.
MISSING PEOPLE, GHOST
TOWNS, ETC., IT'S PREPOSTEROUS.
AND IT WILL HURT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES.
UH-OH, THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND FINALLY IF YOU THINK THIS ISN'T
RACIAL, THIS IS JUST ABOUT OUR WAGES ARE DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF
IMMIGRANTS, ETC., THEY HAVE REALLY PULLED THE WOOL OVER YOUR
EYES TO GET YOU TO THINK THAT THE MOST POWERLESS PERSON IN THE
COUNTRY, THE GUY WHO JUST CROSSED THE BORDER, NO POWER AT
ALL, IS THE ONE AFFECTING YOUR WAGES AND SETTING THE RULES AND
SCREW YOU OVER.
NO, IT'S THE POWERFUL FOLKS IN THE COUNTRY
WHO SET THE RULES.
IF YOU WANT YOUR WAGES INCREASED, YOU SHOULD
-- THERE'S AN EASY WAY -- YOU SHOULD GET LEGISLATORS WHO WOULD
INCREASE YOUR WAGES.
THEY CAN'T MAKE YOU AN ENGINEER IF YOU
AREN'T, WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE ARE JUST THINK IF
YOU'RE WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK AND HAVE A MINIMUM WAGE JOB,
MINIMUM WAGE HASN'T KEPT UP WITH INFLATION, IT'S CRIMINAL WHAT
HAS HAPPENED.
ARGUE FOR THE POWERFUL TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM
WAGE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HELP YOUR FAMILY AND INCREASE
YOUR WAGES, INSTEAD OF TAKING YOUR AGGRESSION OUT ON PEOPLE
THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SETTING THOSE RULES.
AND WELL IT'S EASIEST I THINK AND MOST APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THE LEAST POWERFUL TO MAP OUT HOW THE
GOVERNMENT CAN AFFECT THOSE AT THE LOWER AND OF THE WEIGHT
SCALE, THE GOVERNMENT THANKS TO HOW THEY SUBSIDIZE BUSINESSES IN
100 DIFFERENT WAYS, THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE WAGES
FOR THOSE WHO MAKE MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.
THEY COULD MAKE
ALL SORTS OF GOVERNMENT MONEY CONTINGENT ON CONTINUALLY
INCREASING WAGES AT ALL DIFFERENT POINTS OF THE WAGE
SCALE.
THEY COULD DO THAT IF THEY WANTED.
YOU KNOW WHO SUPPRESSES WAGES?
THINK ABOUT IT, CORPORATIONS DO.
THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO COULD RAISE YOUR WAGES, HE SIGNS OR
CHECKS.
I'M SURE HIS WAGES ARE GOING UP.
IT'S A MATTER OF LOGIC.
A CORPORATION IS GOING TO MAKE
MORE MONEY IF THEY PAY THEIR WORKERS LESS.
WHO IS MORE
POWERFUL, THE CEOS AND EXECUTIVES AND LOBBYISTS WHO
GIVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE POLITICIANS TO SET THE RULES ON
THEIR BEHALF, OR THE GUY WHO JUST CROSSED THE BORDER?
WHO
AFFECTS YOUR WAGES MORE?
OF COURSE IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
BRIBING, I MEAN DONATING, THE POLITICIANS.
THAT'S WHY YOUR
WAGES ARE LOW.
I'VE SHOWN YOU THIS CHURCH BEFORE, THEY DIVERGE
IN 1970, PRODUCTIVITY AND WAGES WERE GOING ALONG EXCELLENT --
SINCE THEN AMERICAN PRODUCTIVITY HAS BEEN EXCELLENT, THE LINE
CONTINUES TO SKYROCKET, BUT YOUR WAGES FLATLINE.
THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THOSE TWO LINES IS $12 TRILLION, IT DIDN'T GO TO
MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS, IT WENT TO THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE
COUNTRY.
WAKEY-WAKEY, ALL OF THIS IS FEAR MONGERING TO TRY TO
GET YOU TO GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
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