Cornel: You and I had no idea we would be living in the age of Trump.
Robert: Yeah, that's for sure.
Cornel: No idea.
And so, on the one hand, you figure, okay, in the Republican party, you've got a number
of candidates.
And you make your choice as Democratic party, you got a number of candidates, you make your
choices.
You and I chose candidates that didn't win in the primary, and then we had to choose
are we going with the two candidates that in our view, don't meet the criteria of integrity?
Robert: We were in the same position, because the question was did Hillary Clinton or Donald
Trump, either one, reach the threshold of decency and integrity required to be President
of the United States.
Cornel: Required for the office.
Robert: I'm sure you were under the same pressure that I was under.
You as a former Bernie Sanders supporter, me as a former Ted Cruz supporter.
Cornel: That's right.
Robert: We were under the same pressure to go along, to join the team, to conform, and
we were under the same threats.
If you don't, you'll be an outsider.
If you don't, you're excommunicated from the movement, from the club.
And yet, I admire you.
Cornel: I was not surprised.
I was not surprised, and you stood your ground.
Robert: Yeah, as you did as well.
Cornel: You stood your ground.
Robert: As you did as well.
Of course, now, you've been doing it for years as a critic from the left of the Obama administration.
I know that you are under tremendous pressure and criticism for not going along with Obama,
for your willingness to criticize publicly the first Black American president.
But, you were willing to do it even though you knew that it meant you weren't gonna get
invitations to the White House, you were not going to be an insider, you weren't going
to have the status that you might otherwise have enjoyed.
You weren't going to be on MSNBC every night and all that stuff.
Cornel: And you would have done the same thing to the first president from West Virginia,
first Catholic.
Robert: I like to think I would have.
Cornel: Whatever, you know what I mean?
Because as a matter, we're fallible and finite and fall, so we fall on our faces.
But we really tried to the best of our ability, and this is when we help each other in this
regard, to trying to sustain our quest for integrity, honesty, and decency.
It's a precious quest, and it's not pure.
It's not pristine, but it has much to do with how we were raised.
It has much to do with the choices we make in terms of our religious Christian faith.
It has something to do with the traditions that we choose to be a part of, and also how
we choose to die, that we intend to be faithful unto death.
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