We modify starch, that's a biobased product.
So I think that puts us on the biobased side of things.
It's a waste product in the French fries industry.
I mean, how much more biobased can you get?
A few projects are the mussel crates, for instance.
We're trying to repair the mussel banks in the Wadden Sea.
And on the other hand, we grow mussels in fresh water...
to combat the blue-green algae.
That we finally get better known for these kinds of products.
It's still hard to get on the market, so this theme will help...
raise awareness that we have to start looking at products in a different way.
The threats are the price and the economy-of-scale.
People say it's too expensive.
The amount of CO2 we seriously cut down on is of no value at all.
So before you know it, you're looking for a few unique things.
Like the mussel crates, it's good that they can disappear.
But if we take packaging, for instance, people are only interested in the price.
But not in the end-of-life advantages.
One of my tips and tricks would be: Research the options for packaging.
What is the end-of-life advantage? Ultimately, it's all about...
the amount of material that we use in comparison to regular plastics.
Ours can be fermented or burnt or whatever.
And regular plastic can be recycled, but you'll still need to clean it up.
So I'd like to know what the advantages are...
of using short-lived plastics when it comes to packaging.
We mainly focus on starch-based materials.
That's the product we started off with and that we have the most know-how of.
And we have a fairly unique, not unique, position with it in the world.
Applications galore, of course.
In a hospital you could look at...
waste materials caught from a body going to a fermenter.
You can look in the sea, materials disappear in sea water.
In packaging, you name it.
You could replace all plastics with it. Whether it's useful, is another question.
I don't picture myself building a computer with starch-based plastics.
Why would you? Regular plastic's LCA...
is just as good as that of bioplastics in the recycling stream.
So you have to focus on the strength of the material disappearing.
Relevance? Actually, we still have to find it.
Because we're still searching for what would be best to use.
The mussel crate disappears and that's added-value.
And that it can disappear in water is definitely added-value.
Because nobody would consciously put plastic in water, anymore.
But packaging still has to find its spot.
I think it has added-value for society.
In the end, we want to use as little oil as possible to make other products.
I personally question whether we must use oil-based materials for packaging.
You can use cardboard or a bioplastic.
So why use an oil-based product for a short-lived item?
Oil-based products last between 500 and 1000 years.
But we use it for 14 days to 3 weeks. I think that is really overdoing it.
It's different in the paper industry. Toilet paper disappears in no time.
But you wouldn't use toilet paper to produce money or passports.
They differentiate much better, but they don't in packaging yet.
So I'd say: Try to use short-lived materials...
in such a way they're made of bioplastics or compostable bioplastics.
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