Long night.
Yeah, we... (indistinct speech)
(laughing)
OK, so how is everyone?
Are we good?
Okay, despite all the possible hangovers
and lack of sleep.
How many people came to this workshop last year?
I know a few people.
You could lie and say you did.
(laughing)
If anybody came to the disability panel then, yeah,
I know some people there, okay. Okay. Yay.
If you came here last year, it's pretty much the same thing,
and it's gonna be sort of like watching Piper Chapman
in Orange Is the New Black.
If you've seen it, if you don't, um,
you're not gonna get the joke.
It's gonna be a little bit different
because something new came out, but in a nutshell,
pretty much the same, there you go.
So, hi, I'm Rikki Poynter,
and I am a deaf YouTuber,
and I started out on YouTube a couple years ago.
I first did makeup videos, and then,
after a couple of years, I got tired of it,
and I decided to do something else.
Didn't know what I wanted to do,
and then, I decided as somebody
who struggled with watching YouTube
and understanding what's going on,
I thought, "Okay, let's talk about the lack of captioning,"
and that started getting bigger and bigger.
Tyler Oakley made videos, Kat Blaque made videos,
and here we are.
Though we can thank Hank and John
for the fact that this is happening for a second year in a row.
Thank you, Hank and John.
Oh, hello. Are we good?
And I probably shoulda had that picture on here
when I began, but oh well.
So today, we're gonna go over,
first of all, don't mind my lack of PowerPoint skills,
I'm not good at that.
We're gonna over things like what are YouTube captions,
what should be captioned -
because that's a popular question that I get -
why the auto captions are not the best solution,
the way to caption and how you can empower getting on board
for bringing more awareness and what have you.
And then, we'll maybe go with a question or something
depending on how much time we have.
(Indistinct) then we'll be fine.
Okay, so why you should caption
because I know some people have asked, not really asked,
but told me and told others, "Why are you doing this?
"Like, who cares?"
And the most popular thing is,
"Well, I understand it, so I don't need it."
But the fact is you're not the only group in the world,
and there are actually about 38, 48 million people
that are deaf or hard of hearing, give or take.
Every day the number seems to change
but in a nutshell, a lot of people,
and worldwide, about 642 million people
which, worldwide we're (Indistinct).
And the most important thing is
because there's so many people,
you would have the possibility of bringing them
into your subscriber count, and we all love subscribers.
At the end of the day, we're all about that,
"No, we wanna do what we love,"
but you also want people to recognize the work.
We know, we can lie all day, but we know.
One thing that I see a lot with videos is -
even a couple of my friends do this -
and they'll have the video up
and then they'll be like,
"Okay, I don't have the time to do this right now
"but in the next couple of days to a week,
"we'll have the caption up."
And honestly, to be 100% accessible,
the best thing to do is to have the captions
already ready to go
before you either upload the video or make it public.
I understand that not everybody can do that,
but just know that the best thing to do
is to get that ready to go before it goes live.
Okay, we have an activity that, thank you, YouTube,
for your beautiful thumbnails.
And we have to do this live,
but it's the lip-reading challenge,
and those of you that came to the workshop yesterday
and were in my breakout group,
I told you if you tell anybody the answer,
I will find you. (laughing)
Don't give anybody the answer.
But it's a very short quiz, about thirty seconds.
And if you've seen the 'No I Can't Read Lips' video,
this one's gonna be hopefully a little bit easier,
said the deaf girl that can't read lips,
it's gonna be one topic instead of
just a bunch of random words back to back to back.
And what we're gonna do is I'm gonna play it once,
and then, we're gonna see if anybody can just guess...
at least the topic - I'm not gonna expect anybody
to get it word for word.
They just guess what the main topic,
the main person or thing will be about.
I'll give you about 15 seconds
while I vlog this for a little bit,
maybe eventually you can figure out what the topic was.
And then we're gonna ask somebody, anybody.
Anybody. Volunteers. I saw you, though. OK.
I think two-thirds of the way through
you said the word, "So."
(laughing)
That's what I got.
It's possible. I don't even remember if I said that.
(laughing)
But okay, somebody pick out the topic, the main topic.
Somebody, just guess.
I won't laugh.
Okay, you first.
MAN: You first presented a problem of some kind,
and then, presented the solution or a commentary about it.
WOMAN: So, you don't know what it is?
(laughing)
MAN: She was asking the topic.
WOMAN: You didn't say the topic.
MAN: Pastry.
You actually talked about something.
Well, yeah.
(laughing)
Lots of (Indistinct).
Okay, who was it? You. Take it away.
I wanna say Snapchat or Instagram.
Like some social media site.
Okay. We're gonna tell you what it was.
Thank you for not telling the answers right away,
whoever went to the workshop yesterday.
Actually, I was talking about The Hunger Games
and Katniss Everdeen in chapter six or seven,
I don't remember - when the explosion thing happens,
if I recall correctly from the videos.
And then, she loses her hearing in one of her ears.
I planned to make a video about it and then I did it,
and then, it never went up,
and then I thought, perfect opportunity!
But yep, so, here's the thing.
It's a common misconception that people can
read lips like a magical unicorn or something.
And if that was true,
I would never have any problems in life.
But the fact is that 30-40% of the English language
can't possibly be read on the lips.
So, when you're watching YouTube videos,
and we know most of 'em aren't captioned,
that is pretty much what it looks like.
What should we caption? Because all the time,
I get questions that say, "Should this be captioned?
"Should songs be captioned?
"Should blah blah blah blah blah?"
Good question, and question, caption.
But basically, in a nutshell,
if it's a video and it's on YouTube,
yes, it should be captioned.
People always go, "Well, why do you wanna caption a song?
"Deaf people don't listen to music."
Another misconception, we know -
that is that, in general,
a good amount of deaf people have a sort of hearing.
So I can hear myself.
I can't hear myself in the speakers,
but I can hear myself talking out of my mouth.
If somebody hits something near me,
I'm more than likely gonna hear it, probably feel it moreso.
But the parties from last night, heard people talking,
but not necessarily what people are saying,
it's gonna depend on each person
because nobody's the same
but yes, music videos, you caption.
Yes, people will have the lyrics
on the upper box, or the info box, or you can Google it,
but how many of you if you're watching a music video,
do you really wanna go back between tabs?
You know, you're missing part of the music video,
or you have to look down then scroll up,
it's annoying, too much to do.
So, when you have the lyrics on there,
you see it and you can enjoy the video at the same time.
But yes, anything, you got a web series happening here,
my friend will be ecstatic that this is on there.
If you're saying something, caption it,
and even things that, like, say if a door is closing
or if somebody's banging (soft booming)
on something, like knocking on the door,
or just any random noises, yes, caption it
because it's something that's important.
Let's see... What I'm thinking...
If there's a noise that helps
the scene make sense, then why not?
Okay (coughing).
Sorry.
A lot of times if I'm out...
(Indistinct)
(man clearing throat)
...to caption their videos, either they or somebody
from the comment section will go,
"Well, there is captions over there.
"You know, click the little button on there."
It looks like... Not all videos have them but...
If you say, "You know, just click on it."
And I go, I specialize in this thing,
like, if there were captions,
I would not be asking this question.
But most of the time, the captions that are on there
look like this.
So for example, we have Jake Roper's video.
It says, "That always stuck with me,
"and that's my favorite piece of that vid."
Sometimes auto captions will be okay,
but at the end of the day, I get very...
(Indistinct)
..make that much sense.
And I don't really remember what that video was,
but I think it was around the time when... (Indistinct)
That kind of stuff.
And here we have... I kind of like this one - it's a wig video,
either styling it, I think,
or streaking it or something
but that one says, "Leave spraying but it's in the style
"it shows all videos, lately you just want to."
Good lord, no.
And then, Lilly Singh's video,
"My neighborhood and there's a picture of the onion."
Does that look like an onion to you?
I'm sorry, Lilly.
And she'll be talking about journaling.
So apparently, YouTube thinks she's growing an onion.
I gotta tell her about that next time I think about it.
And then, the last video of Claire Marshall,
this was a video about her making
bibimbap, a Korean-style dish,
and I don't really know exactly what it was, but...
It says, "I recommend you use for 24
"this so I'm just drinking it,"
and then, "Whatever."
Yeah, so, they're not gonna be 100% correct,
so if you were to mute a video and then just put that on,
you're gonna be very, very confused, for the most part.
And there are captions, like I said,
when you see Jake's video,
it's kind of useful, you know,
for the most part, there's a comprehensible sentence
but the last two words aren't very perfect.
At the end of day, you want real captions.
So now we're gonna go over the ways to caption.
Last year, I showed part two, and then,
the crowdsource thing is a little bit of a new thing.
And I should've flipped those images, anyway.
Okay, so first thing is the Creative Tools,
and that's basically what I use.
I think most of my friends do it themselves.
I know a couple of you used one of those.
So I guess the first one is just uploading a file,
and that's what I'm doing now,
since I've had to change the way that I add
to get to somebody else to do it for me,
but if you just say, okay, you open Notepad
on your computer, you've typed everything,
and then, you save it as a SRT file
or a text file, it depends,
and then just upload it and then it'll go through.
Wait for it to sync a little bit,
and then, you have to make sure when you get to it -
I don't even know if I have a picture...
Let's see, do I? I probably should've done that.
Let's see.
Okay, I don't have the picture on there but...
Okay. Sorry.
Look at all my bookmarks,
and find I'm a little TV Troper.
(clearing throat)
After you sync it, you do have to line it up a little bit
because it's not always perfect.
So, something will be delayed a little bit,
or they'll be delayed a lot.
So, after it's all saved, you just edit it a little bit,
and then, you'll see under the video manager thing,
there'll be the little audio, like, waveforms, something, and then,
you just gotta move that around.
There is a video on my channel -
it's called The Easiest Ways to Caption Videos,
and it has a little demo.
I might be able to play that, but I'm not sure
if the WiFi will work - we'll find out.
There's that, and then the second one is
that's been the one that I like doing now
because I've had this MacBook for a year.
I've spent a lot of time doing the audio.
But you just paste everything into that little box,
you see I have the very first line
that always might be needed, the little intro music.
And you just paste it all in there,
or you can hide it, whatever you prefer,
and then, just let it sync,
and then, just line up things all over again.
The one thing that people tell me when they do this,
they go, "Oh my goodness,
"I just spent 30 minutes doing this.
"I accidentally hit backspace--"
Yes, see her anger.
You see her anger, she is so mad.
(Indistinct)
(laughing) And, uh... Yeah.
So, when you go back and you think that it's saved,
you think that it's saved and you're hoping,
you are hoping like Oprah is going to give you a present.
(laughing)
And then you get back on there and it's gone.
So you've spent an hour doing this and this and this and this,
and it went away.
And I hate it, I hate it so much,
and that's what turned a lot of people off from captioning,
and then, I'm like, "No!"
"No, no no no no no no no."
So, my tip is to either do it on Notepad or something,
or my personal favorite, because I'm lazy,
is if you go to a Google doc.
You know, you've got the Google Drive, the Google Doc,
the Google Slide, yada yada yada.
Go on there and do it,
because it will auto-save literally every second
after every change.
You wanna delete a period, it's there.
It will still be there, and it's going to save.
So, if you are working at three in the morning,
and your computer shuts down because your power went off
because of a thunderstorm or a tornado,
which by the way, don't be on your computer
while there's a tornado.
And then, you get your power back,
and it's still there and it's beautiful.
You found out and you're happy and (indistinct).
But that is actually my personal favorite.
It always works out for me.
And then the last one,
and I know a couple of my friends have used this,
is just the Create New Subtitles option
which is just doing it line by line by line.
For me, that's the way I don't like to do it.
I find that the least time...
the most time-consuming.
Some people prefer it, but really at the end of the day,
the whole thing's gonna be about personal preference,
what works for you, yada yada yada.
But I always suggest having a backup option,
like Google Doc, so it doesn't go lost.
Because, please, I don't want anybody
to be turned off by doing captions
because of (Indistinct)
(coughing) Excuse me.
So, the other one is third-party captions,
which is going to be the most expensive.
(Indistinct)
...told me, "I don't really wanna pay for captioning
"because it's gonna add up, add up, add up."
Which I get but if you don't have time,
if you have the money or you want it to look professional,
whatever your reason, there are third-party companies
out there that will do it.
The most popular one is Rev, it's just rev.com,
and it costs $1 a minute for English captions.
If you're doing a five-minute, five and a half-minute video,
it's gonna be five or six depending,
so if you do fairly short videos,
it would be a good option.
If you're doing long ones, it depends.
Matthew Santoro, if anybody knows who he is,
he uses them, and he has his videos in multiple languages -
English, Chinese, Spanish, something else,
and it costs $7 and 50 cents a minute
to actually translate anything into multiple languages,
so just think about how much all of that costs.
It's a lot.
But there are other companies out there.
One of the companies that does my captions, Ai Media,
they're a company, just Google a quick Google search,
but honestly, to me, I think that Rev is the fastest
and the cheapest way to do it.
It's a $1 a minute.
Hey, Paul.
(laughing)
Okay, there you have the... (Indistinct) called Crowdsourcing.
It's been around for, as far as I remember,
about a year, I could be wrong.
I don't know if anybody from Google is in the back.
Google was here last year, but I'm not entirely sure.
Basically, you can have viewers and your friends or whoever
do the captioning or subtitling for you for free.
So, third-party-ish, but nobody likes to spend money
because we want Starbucks in the morning,
or Dunkin Donuts or... no, not Dunkin Donuts.
The one thing, though, that you need to make sure
is that you have the fan contribution on.
YouTube has a video that will tell you
how to turn on and all that,
but if you don't have the option in your setting,
it'll be, let's see, under, I think Community,
and then it will say, Manage Your Fan Contribution,
Subtitles, something, yeah, alright?
Okay, and then it says something in fine print somewhere
that'll say, "Turn on or turn off,"
so make sure you have it on,
otherwise, people aren't gonna see it.
And how to actually add those captions
if you're just a viewer.
When you go to, is it back with the settings button thing?
WOMAN: It's in Settings.
Okay, so if you were to change the language or something,
you click on that button and then it says,
"Add Manage" or add something.
WOMAN: It says, "Let People Manage."
Okay, okay, okay.
So, go ahead, and it'll say, "Add," you know, da da da.
And you pick a language, and then, send it through.
Now, a couple of people have asked me,
"Well, what about troll comments?
"I worry about people maybe adding slurs
"or just adding random comments."
There's a rant about that coming later
but just know that you don't really have to worry about it
as long as you check it because when it gets submitted,
you have to actually read it to let it go through
and, you know, publish it and da da da.
So, there have been a couple of YouTubers
that do fan contribution subtitles, which I love,
I'm onboard because we know there's a lot of YouTubers that,
like, Casey Neistat,
make videos every single day,
which how he does it with a fancy camera and all.
But there's no time, and I get it,
so that that's why the crowd sourcing is a good idea.
But I've noticed and a couple of other people have noticed
that sometimes people will add silly comments, like,
not necessarily anything bad, hopefully,
but just, you know,
"*makes awkward face*" or LOL, something something,
makes some sort of joke, which I'm all for good jokes.
Jokes are very funny, it's funny, we like laughing,
but the thing about captions is,
it has to be relevant, and the captions are
what they're saying, that's what goes on.
So, if you want to...
(Indistinct)
..and then you want to caption one of the vlogs,
please don't make random comments
and then let that go through.
But also, YouTubers, make sure you read
every single caption just to make sure.
And if it's in other languages,
and you don't know that language,
paste it in Google Translate,
and then, kind of get the jist.
Google Translate isn't perfect, but so far,
I haven't had any issues, just get the general idea.
But if you aren't sure, then just don't...
(Indistinct)
It's better to be a little bit wary.
Thank you, Paul.
Yeah.
What time is it?
Oh, we'll have 30 minutes left over.
So, two things - oh, here's a big question.
How can I help?
People go on Tumblr, they're like,
"What can I do to get videos to be captioned,"
blah, blah, blah.
First of all, if you're a YouTuber, caption it, duh.
You caption it, your friends caption it
you know, just like I said,
make sure it all makes sense, it's all clean,
relevant and (indistinct).
And let's see. Tell people why we need to do it.
You know, (indistinct), "Why is it?" they say.
It helps people understand what's going on, da da da.
You can do this by making your own videos.
At the disability panel yesterday,
when we did our little breakout sessions
we talked about it, when people, you know...
Even at VidCon if you were to walk up to somebody
then, you know, explain it to them a little bit.
Or last year, I went through the featured creator list,
and I sent emails to every single person
that I could find an email for
and hand wrote some letters.
I attempted to do all of them.
I made it through eight before my hand started hurting really bad.
If you're someone that is into the whole penpal-y thing
and can really write and write and write,
that always works if they got a P.O. box,
you know, they have to actually
open the letter to see what's inside.
Emailing works, that's probably one of
the best ways to do it, 'cause they'll read it.
Just make sure that it's not too long.
I would keep it three paragraphs at the most.
Little introduction type of thing -
"Hi, this is so and so, be sure to caption your videos,"
and then, let's see... well, probably do in little bullet form,
keep it very just concise or to the point.
And then, have links, like
I have a couple of videos, obviously.
But a couple weeks ago, I made, let's see...
The three ways to caption videos,
I did that at YouTube NextUp a couple of weeks ago.
My friend over there who was with me -
thank you for coming today by the way -
That's the most recent video that I have.
It's the same video that I made over and over,
but it's much more to the point,
everything's updated with the crowdsourcing and all that.
That's a good one to send.
You can link Tyler Oakley's video
because everybody listens to Tyler Oakley.
And then, and that's why I said make your own videos
because emailing works,
but sometimes they can't always see it,
and it's just one person at a time.
But I feel like if you make your own video about it,
it might get out to more people a lot faster,
and people prefer watching YouTube than reading anyway,
most of the time, most of the time.
Some people like that.
And then, the other thing is,
okay, so like I said, some people don't have
a whole lot of time, or they just don't wanna do it,
you know, the money.
Tell them about the crowdsource captions.
A couple of YouTubers have just started
putting them on recently, and when they find out,
oh, other people can do that.
Okay, I'll accept this.
Make sure you let them know that they have to actually
look at it, just to be safe.
And... what's the other one that I didn't put on there?
Oh, social media, you know, Twitter or Instagram.
If they got it, do it, because the more places
that you let them know the issue that it's gonna be,
but at the end of the day, emails and videos can really be best.
Oh, well, my computer was going off.
Anyway, sorry.
If you go on Twitter, it's gonna be covered up very fast,
especially if you go to the really big YouTubers.
You go, "Hey, can you closed caption your videos?"
They get that notification,
and then it'll just pop up, like, 50 more coming right behind them.
And that is, oh, I meant to delete that, but okay.
(laughing)
OK. I'll tell you what -
we were going to have little perks somewhere around here.
There was gonna be, like, little prints,
and it was gonna have, like, (indistinct)
but I couldn't get it done in time,
so that's what that was gonna be.
But in conclusion... (Indistinct)
the thing that says... (Indistinct) - it never happened.
But you know, before you go, I wanna say thank you,
and thank you for coming.
If you came here last here, thank you for coming again.
Keep everything that I said in mind,
and now I guess, we go into like a questionnaire
or something because we have a whole
half hour left to do absolutely nothing.
You, sir.
MAN: Hi.
So, you advocated for timely captioning,
but you're also talking about the crowdsource option.
Is it possible to do the crowdsource option
before it is published?
I don't know yet.
I'm totally clueless and hope to hear.
If you leave your video as unlisted,
as long as anybody has the link,
when you go to upload a video,
you'll have the options - make it public,
have it unlisted, have it private,
I think those are the only three options.
I should know that by now.
But yeah, I always have my videos unlisted first,
and if I need something to happen,
like I need it now, like Rev, or the...
or, like, if they're gonna do it for me on time,
then it's there but it's sort of private.
But the only people that will see it
is whoever has the link.
So, say if... Okay, my schedule is Mondays and Thursdays.
So I have, or I did have a couple videos pre-filmed.
I went ahead and uploaded them,
so you know it's on time.
So, say I made a video that's going up on Monday,
on Sunday I put it on Patreon for people who have that perk
and they can see it the day before,
so I have it uploaded on Saturday morning,
and I ask Bob to caption it.
I'm like, "Hey, can you help me with these captions right now?"
He'd be like, "Okay, cool."
And then, I'd just send him the link,
and he'll still be able to see everything.
(indistinct)
Connie.
Hi, Rikki.
So, I also upload videos onto Facebook,
so do you or anyone around here
know how to embed captions on Facebook videos?
Sorry, I just did a lot of talking.
Yeah, Facebook is a little bit harder.
For a long time, I did... (Indistinct)
..and I started uploading some of my videos,
or at least like little trailer clips,
and basically what I do is probably the only way to do it,
but when you go onto YouTube
and you go to caption page
for putting it up right before time,
there is a link somewhere to download the captions
into an SRT file, and then when you want
to put it on Facebook, I don't know what it is exactly,
you're gonna have to Google it,
how to add captions, something,
and there's the file name on... for Facebook
has to be a very specific name.
You can type whatever you want,
like puppies and kittens videos dot underscore something.
Like, the second half of the Facebook file
has to be a specific thing, but it's kind of the same thing
as YouTube, just it has to be the first option,
the SRT file, and then, let that go.
And it'll already be typed up.
Can you talk about some of the solutions
you help creators come up with
for captioning their videos?
Can you go into more detail about that,
'cause I'm being fuzzy - what did I do?
Like Good Mythical Morning and RocketJump.
Oh, right, right, right, I remember.
I'm supposed to meet with RocketJump.
Anyway, but yeah, Good Mythical Morning
as you know probably,
a couple months ago, somebody emailed me,
and they were like,
"Hey, we're interested in doing captions, but you know,
"we've got to figure out exactly what it is."
And we went back and forth, and they got a team together
of captioners, and just started uploading videos.
And then, RocketJump emailed me,
and it was pretty much the same thing,
went through a back and forth conversation.
It's pretty much just the same thing
as what I just talked about,
it was just more of a one-on-one conversation.
I make ASL music videos kind of things,
so all of my videos are already in sign language,
except for one, which I captioned.
But do you think that I should caption
all of my ASL videos, too?
How many people here know ASL?
How many don't?
GIRL: But there seems to be... (laughing)
GIRL: Okay.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: What if somebody speaks Australian Sign Language?
WOMAN: Yeah, Australian Sign Language is different.
Good point.
You got that.
Yeah, here's the thing.
That's another misconception that a lot of people
know how to do, or all deaf people know how to sign,
and also, sign language isn't universal,
except for International Sign Language,
but that's like a, it's a weird little thing
that they don't really... (Indistinct)
But yeah, every country has their own sign language,
so England and Australia...
Is there a comment to my comment? Okay.
MAN: And visually impaired people use captions.
Yes, yes.
James would smack me right now for forgetting that.
(laughing)
Okay, I give you permission to.
Yes, exactly, very, very, very good point.
So, like, England, Australia, Canada, and the U.S.,
we all speak the same English language,
the dialect's different, okay.
But England has British Sign Language,
Australia has... Auslan, is that how you pronounce it?
I'm not quite sure. Something like that.
Auslan, okay, but yeah, Australian Sign Language,
so we have the same spoken language,
but the sign languages are completely different.
GIRL: Which is so weird.
So, I would say definitely caption
and just make it 100% accessible to everybody.
In the back.
Back there first. Go ahead.
We're daily vloggers, and so,
we have a volume of about 600 videos at this point,
and I'm embarrassed to say that none of 'em are captioned.
It was overwhelming to know how to caption things
when you're putting out content every single day that's,
you know, 8 to 10 minutes long.
And so, I considered going into, like, maybe our most popular
30 to 50 and trying to caption those,
but if you can't do it all, I mean,
is it worth it to do some of it,
or is it hard for my audience if
I'm only able to caption one a week,
or just start now forward and do 'em all captioned?
What do you feel like is a good option for that?
(indistinct)
Yeah, I remember a couple groups told me
they were... or have the same issue, and I get it,
I get it, and I think, I remember telling people,
for me this is one of those personal preference
kind of things, but I would say going forward
is a little, for me, okay, we'll just say me personally,
(indistinct)
If I were watching your videos, and I wanted to know
do I want to caption now for future videos or back?
That's hard (laughs).
WOMAN: I guess if you can't do all of them,
is it still good to do at least some of them?
MAN: I have an idea while you're thinking.
Some is better than none.
I guess if it were me, if you were to do
the ones going forward, then I'd be like, "Heck yeah,"
and then, backtrack as much as you can.
(Indistinct) ..on YouTube, she just started captioning.
So, she's kinda doing the same thing right now,
doing the videos that come forward
because that's what more people are gonna pay attention to,
that's where your audience potential
is gonna come in a lot better when the new videos come up.
So yeah, I would start with that,
and then, either backtrack to do all of them as you go
if you want to, or yeah, maybe start with
the most popular ones first because audience retention,
and you know, you watch time and...
you watch... Really, you know what I mean.
But yeah, that would probably be a good way to go.
I know that if there was 600 different videos
all the way back when, that'd be difficult,
but definitely I would say, make priority,
in my opinion, of the ones going forward,
back to the most popular,
then as you can, maybe, like, one a week, you know, depending.
MAN: That's what I was thinking,
that out of your backlog, if you target every Tuesday,
then people might go sample those,
then they'd know where they could find the captioned ones.
I have a vlog.
I thank you, by the way.
I just had two similar questions.
One for Rev, or two for Rev.
Does Rev make you do it?
Do they caption the sound effects, like if the door bangs,
will they do that as well?
And number two for that one is
does Rev caption, like there's two people in the video,
will it say this person said this,
and this person said that, like with their names?
And then, the last one, sorry this is two questions,
I've captioned videos before, and I wanna know,
is there an easier way to sync things up
instead of having to literally drag by time?
Sometimes the captions will be double, and I want one line,
two lines they might not sync up right away.
What are things that you've done?
(coughing)
I might have to ask you to repeat the second one
because I'm like, whoo!
But as for Rev, yes, if I recall correctly,
they will, at least to me, was that a yes?
I thought I saw somebody saying something.
Anyway, but yeah, Rev will caption sound effects,
if somebody's banging on a door or coughing
that would be on there.
If more than one person is talking,
yes, they'll have like, if Bob and Amy are talking,
they'll have 'Bob' and the colon, or dot,
and then underneath it, Amy is talking.
And can you repeat the second one?
Is there an easier way to sync up the audio
with the captioning set-up?
'Cause sometimes it takes some time,
like one part'll be synced up,
and the rest will be completely off,
and you have to drag it just line by line.
So, what are ways that you've figured out to deal with it?
Oh yeah, like if you have like,
here's one sentence, and then for some reason,
the next half is all the way in China or something,
I still don't understand how that happens.
I think this is when it gets more technical.
(indistinct)
you might even be able to help out with this,
but I don't know, but there's more,
some sort of program, like I honestly don't know
what goes into this, but... Gosh.
I might have to have somebody answer the question for me,
and then, I'll let you know,
but, like, they time it with a special program
or something, that's the only way that I know
is a way to do it.
That makes sense, yeah?
But I just don't know exactly how to do it
because I started just to drag a little bit much.
I can ask my friend Stanley -
if you want to Tweet me an email or something,
and then, I'll ask my friend,
and then, I'll send it to you
because he's gonna know the work.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you.
And then, sorry, okay.
So, how... I have closed captioned a couple of videos,
which I did because I was told that that was
a good way to have Google find your videos and stuff,
so kind of a self-promotion thing,
but I definitely want people
who are looking for closed captioned material
to be able to find it.
Is that something that you recommend -
tagging or highlighting, make sure the audience
who's looking for closed captioned content finds my work?
Can they search by videos that are captioned, or...?
Natalie, would you be able to answer that question?
Maybe, I think.
The algorithm prefers videos that are captioned
as it stands right now
because every single sentence that you say is metadata.
But I don't believe you can search by captioned videos.
You should be able to.
I always tag my videos with captions.
I use hashtag "with captions."
So like, when you add--
Paul has the hashtag "with captions" thing.
You have to be careful with that, though.
Oh, somebody's--
You have to be careful with that because
irrelevant information within your tags.
If irrelevant information within your tags
will make those videos not appear,
if it doesn't actually have anything to do with captioning.
And if your videos are captioned,
usually at the bottom, it has a 'CC' icon.
That was pretty much it, then, yeah.
Thanks for the audience.
I like this audience, it's so interactive (?).
Makes me happy.
I guess a way to do it is
there is on Tumblr there's like a big ol' post
that has channels that have captions on them.
If you want to Tweet me your channel names or something,
I would Tweet it on Twitter,
and then, we could add it to the Tumblr post.
I like when people tell me that
they have a captioned channel,
well, this new video with captions,
I'm like, "Okay, we're gonna Retweet it and I'm gonna post about it,"
and you know, do this and that,
so I would be more than happy to help you on that one.
And somebody, I think I saw you first, sir.
Is anybody anywhere making
a better captioning software?
I mean, you might've... it's obvious that it's not,
but boy, there's an opportunity for someone to make this
and make a ton of money selling it
because the one on YouTube for a guy
who has hard time paying attention to his wife
when she speaks, for 27 years,
and I can hear, that captioning software is sometimes,
it's just a chore.
And so, if anyone anywhere hears of it,
have you heard of one that's coming up?
I have no idea. (indistinct)
I could find out. I'm trying to find out but I'm not really sure.
Yeah, I think you had something.
I forget my question.
MAN: I have an answer to his question.
Oh, okay, well there's an answer.
Whoever had an answer to the question,
someone, who was it?
It was you, okay.
There's a company called Naviance, or Nuance.
Nuance used to be Dictaphone, it became Nuance.
They're in the business, like Dragon,
they're in the business of turning audio into text.
And I also know that my phone interprets audio into text
so much better than I do sometimes.
PAUL: That's a good idea.
The person beside Paul.
So, Amazon is also really good at captioning
because they have a new device called Alexa,
and she understands spoken English
a lot better than I think I do on a good day,
so that's definitely improving.
MAN: Thank you.
That's one I haven't heard before.
Hey, do you have a question?
Yeah, I remember my question.
Is there a way to put captions onto your YouTube videos
while using your cell phone?
Like I wanted to do it this week for some videos
that I have on my channel that I couldn't do last week,
but I can't do it on my mobile from what I've found.
Do you know of any solution for that?
I don't think I do.
I think I tried looking, but I'm not really sure.
I do most of my work on the computer, so...
I'll look later, and then,
I'll Tweet you and somebody in the same row.
Yeah, I have two questions.
One, if you do the community sourcing captions,
if they make a mistake, can you just edit their mistake
and still use the majority of their captions?
Yes, yes.
There's a couple people that had the word wrong
or they spelled it wrong, you'll be fine.
And just, you know, it'll say "Edit."
I don't know that you have to publish it
before editing it - I can't remember right now,
but either way, yeah, just edit,
and then, tweak it a little bit and you're good to go.
(Woman In Front Row) And my second question--
RIKKI: Oh, you had two?
- My second question-- RIKKI: Oh, sorry, second question.
It's okay, just my second question,
I've tried to make an SRT file before.
Are there any videos online on like how to format that
because it just came up as one chunk of all my text,
and I got so confused.
What program were you using?
When I make an SRT file, it's usually straight from YouTube.
I think I tried to do it on Notepad before, but yeah,
I couldn't find it either.
Does anybody maybe know?
Natalie would.
They're just plain text within the file.
You should be able to put in timecode
for the individual video.
(Woman In Front Row) That's what I've been doing, so...
It should be looking for line breaks,
that's usually what the YouTube adjuster's looking for.
Go ahead.
WOMAN: Okay, um--
And then Paul right after, I promise.
I have an answer for her, and then after that, a question.
So, if you put double Enter after a section you want
as a whole on the video,
it'll add more... (Indistinct)
And my question is sometimes when I caption my videos,
the CC sign doesn't appear on it,
so how can I mark the videos
so that people will know that I actually captioned it?
Yeah, I've had that problem, too.
I don't know why it does it.
Answer?
I always just put it in my title.
Like, I put, "(CC)" at the end of my title.
Yeah, sometimes it doesn't work for me either.
Sometimes, like, I'll have it unlisted,
and then the caption on there,
and then they don't show up and I'm like, "Really?"
Like, "What, like, why?"
And then, sometimes, when I then make it public,
then it shows up, sometimes it doesn't.
That's why, in the info I just always put "this video's captioned.
"If you don't see it..." Although sometimes that doesn't work.
Sometimes I still get people going, "You don't caption your videos."
And I'm like, "Read the info box."
But yeah, sometimes it doesn't show up,
so it just had that, and then, hopefully.
Paul, Paul, I said Paul.
(laughing)
PAUL: In the situation where
you are typing your captions into YouTube,
the transcribe functionality,
that problem where hitting a backspace
makes the entire page go away,
there's a browser plug-in called Lazarus,
and it will save everything that you're typing.
Even if you go to another page and come back,
you can recover your typed text.
WOMAN: What browser? PAUL: Every browser.
WOMAN: God bless you.
(laughing)
WOMAN: What was the name of that again?
PAUL: Lazarus.
L-A-Z-A-R-U-S.
I say every browser -
I found it for Chrome, Safari, and Firefox.
MAN: It's okay, nobody uses Internet Explorer.
(laughing)
I can't believe I've kept going for so long.
How much time do we have?
Anybody, anybody, just something.
(indistinct)
Ah, alright.
What's your favorite kind of pizza?
Yeah, we can do random questions!
We got 10 minutes to kill.
Mostly cheese pizza.
I'm a vegetarian, so cheese just works better for me.
And then sometimes, occasionally, we have
caramelized onions and tomatoes on there,
and ranch, always ranch.
I know it's weird, but I love it.
Can we ask questions that are related to you being deaf?
As long as you're not asking me how I go to the bathroom.
(laughing)
With, uh... with being deaf, how is it best for a hearing person
to approach you or other deaf people
when you can't see us?
I don't wanna like just walk up behind you
while you're at a convention and startle you.
Right, right, that's a good question.
Really, the best way to go about it is,
just like, "Okay, here's this person,"
walk, and then, just a light tap on the shoulder,
and then wait until person turns around,
or at least if you wanna walk over.
Just make sure it's like,
"Okay, I acknowledge that you are right here,"
and don't start talking, like, as you come up
because then it's like you said 10 words,
and it's like, "Oh, okay, I don't get it.
"That's a good one, goodbye."
For me, it's a mixture of somebody talking
and then me guessing, and then like typing,
like we'll type together.
So, just to underscore a part of
your answer to that question,
you're okay with strangers tapping you
on the shoulder from behind,
or would you really rather that
they flanked you and got in front
so you could encounter them visibly before they touch you?
Just answering for yourself personally
as opposed to the nation of deaf people.
Yeah, I really don't mind, as long as you just
make sure it's on the shoulder and nowhere else, you know.
(laughing)
Consent, okay?
You've always gotta bring that up.
I'm absolutely fine with that,
just make sure it's not really, really hard or anything like that.
So, this is the first panel I've been in where I've seen
sign language translation and translation on the screen.
Do you know if there's any talk in the VidCon,
for the VidCon convention for having that
in every single panel?
WOMAN: We are trying.
MAN: There's a lot of discussion happening about it.
WOMAN: Yes, there is.
Yeah, there's a lot of discussion.
There's no like official fancy talk
in the building like a panel or workshop.
"John, hey, that's a great idea!"
But actually, okay, I don't know
if I can make this little announcement,
but after the disabilities panel and after we had...
this is what happened, we were supposed to have
two live captioners, one ASL interpreter,
at the disability on YouTube panel,
and the one CART for the audience, or for me,
whichever one it was supposed to be,
anyway, the ASL interpreter did not show up.
I don't know if anybody from yesterday is here
that I had to steal the CART from.
I've felt bad about that since yesterday.
Apparently, we got a promotion or some sort of thing
to, like... adviser or something to talk about that.
Five minutes, thank you.
And yeah, after this, when this is all over,
we're going on down.
We're gonna get in touch with them
to try to figure it out.
I know it's been an improvement from last year
when they had absolutely nobody except for here last year,
but apparently on the stage and the ASL interpreter
and a couple, maybe a few amount of... (Indistinct)
I'm not entirely sure.
So, it's not perfect but it's a step up,
and I'm hoping that they will have,
at least in the main areas, the big, main areas,
they will have a live captioner and an ASL interpreter,
so we're gonna be in talks about that,
and for every single panel, I'm not completely sure,
but at least for mine, at least at yours,
there's gonna be one, I will be making sure of that.
WOMAN: Goddammit, they will be there!
(laughing)
It would be like, "Now!"
(laughing)
Let's see. There's only five minutes. I've got... Okay.
These two and then we're probably gonna have to cut it.
So, Paul.
PAUL: I attended the accessibility on YouTube panel
with the guy who designed auto-generating captions.
He talked up this panel, by the way, Rikki,
and he said that when you go to the auto-generated captions
and then correct them
and publish your corrected version of captions,
the corrected version of captions
do go into the learning process to improve auto-generated captions.
So, that's something to keep in mind.
That's how it's getting better. WOMAN: Cool.
Oh.
I love that.
That's sounds pretty cool, cool.
And then, that person behind you.
Besides, like, captions and whatnot,
what is another way you would say
to be more involved in the deaf community?
And besides, like, knowing ASL?
Definitely going to deaf events,
like that's going to be the best way to do it,
but I know that they're not always a large community.
Like, the minority where I live,
they're not a huge community.
But if you live in Los Angeles over here, why not?
Just be like, Los Angeles deaf event,
you'll find a bunch of them in Los Angeles.
Like I'm supposed to be,
I can even, if you wanna Tweet me or something,
we'll figure all of that out.
But yeah, it's just in certain cities here,
deaf events, blah blah blah, go to them
and there'll be a video coming up about this,
but don't... okay, this is coming from me who does this,
but don't be like, "I'm not fluent, I'm nervous, oh my god.
"They're gonna make fun of me."
It'll be fine, I promise you.
I went to a deaf culture event in Toronto last week.
Wine was involved, but yeah, it all turned out fine.
You get nervous but at the end of the day, it's gonna be fine.
They know that not everybody might be fluent,
but they still have the idea.
But like I said, not everybody has a deaf community,
so online, just chat on your phone.
If it's really, really quick.
It's actually, as somebody who took ASL in college,
and I went to a few events,
they are so supportive and so welcoming.
So, don't be nervous because they're going to welcome you.
It goes back to what I said before when she asked
if she could ask deaf-related questions
is, you know, be smart about it.
That's what it is.
Okay, we've gotta go.
Thank you for coming.
(applauding)
(indistinct)
Yeah, thank you for coming,
and we're not gonna be able to linger,
but you know, just Tweet me, whatever.
If you find me walking around tomorrow
because I'll be gone all day, say hi.
Tap me, don't hit me.
Thank you, thank you for dealing with (indistinct).
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